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February 2, 2011
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2:10 am
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TC_Chat:
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At this time tomorrow, pls join us for S2 of #tcchat. Topic: accessibility. Guest/SME: Dennis Lembree, dev of Accessible Twitter. #techcomm |
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2:10 am
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2moroDocs:
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At this time tomorrow, pls join us for S2 of #tcchat. Topic: accessibility. Guest/SME: Dennis Lembree, dev of Accessible Twitter. |
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2:11 am
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helpstuff:
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RT @2moroDocs: At this time tomorrow, pls join us for S2 of #tcchat. Topic: accessibility. Guest/SME: Dennis Lembree, dev of Accessible Twitter. |
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2:11 am
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CharJTF:
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RT @2moroDocs: At this time tomorrow, pls join us for S2 of #tcchat. Topic: accessibility. Guest/SME: Dennis Lembree, dev of Accessible Twitter. |
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2:14 am
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf Thanks for the RT! Looking forward to seeing you at S1 of #tcchat 2moro. Thx for being a SME for it - |
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2:15 am
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2moroDocs:
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@knowledgebishop Thanks for the notice re #tcchat - |
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3:51 am
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2moroDocs:
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Another guest/SME is planning to attend #tcchat S2 (if schedule still works OK): @musingvirtual Thx! |
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4:21 am
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DigitalHarbor:
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RT @2moroDocs: At this time tomorrow, pls join us for S2 of #tcchat. Topic: accessibility. Guest/SME: Dennis Lembree, dev of Accessible Twitter. |
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6:21 am
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stcaccess:
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Super SME guests for session 2 of #tcchat, Feb 2 @ 7 PM PT: @webaxe, @musingvirtual, & maybe @GlendaWH?! Join us, NZ, Oz, India, Asia! |
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6:43 am
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GlendaWH:
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RT @stcaccess: Super SME guests for session 2 of #tcchat, Feb 2 @ 7 PM PT: @webaxe, @musingvirtual, @GlendaWH! Join us, NZ, Oz, India, Asia! |
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7:16 am
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2moroDocs:
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@stcaccess @GlendaWH My apologies for the time mixups. The S2 time is 6pm PST (not 7pm). It was previously Th at 7. Now is Weds/6pm. #tcchat |
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7:19 am
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2moroDocs:
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#tcchat S2 time: 6pm PST on Weds 2/2 - which may b Th in ur location. More info & time zone converters: http://on.fb.me/fq46BX Sorry! :) |
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7:19 am
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TC_Chat:
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#tcchat S2 time: 6pm PST on Weds 2/2 - which may b Th in ur location. More info & time zone converters: http://on.fb.me/fq46BX Sorry! :) |
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7:27 am
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stcaccess:
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For any #accessibility novices: Try @webaxe's Intro to Web Accessibility Resources: http://bit.ly/hYnvEp #tcchat #techcomm |
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7:31 am
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musingvirtual:
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RT @stcaccess: For any #accessibility novices: Try @webaxe's Intro to Web Accessibility Resources: http://bit.ly/hYnvEp #tcchat #techcomm |
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7:32 am
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2moroDocs:
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@glendawh Thank you, Glenda for being a guest/SME at tomorrow's #tcchat S2. Much appreciated! |
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7:33 am
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2moroDocs:
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@a11yevents Thanks for the notices about the #tcchat sessions tomorrow - |
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7:44 am
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stcaccess:
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Super SME guests for session 2 of #tcchat, Feb 2 @ 6 PM PT: @webaxe, @musingvirtual, & maybe @GlendaWH?! Join us, NZ, Oz, India, Asia! |
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7:47 am
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stcaccess:
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Just resent times for today's #tcchat session 2. Session 2 of #tcchat is Feb 2 at 6 PM and *not* 7 PM. #NeedVacationNow! #Sorry! ^K |
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1:23 pm
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Jennison:
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The next #tcchat Twitter discussion is on #accessibility - Feb 2 Session 1 is at 12PM EST http://on.fb.me/fq46BX #techcomm #ux |
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1:27 pm
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juliov27612:
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@coffeethenwrite Never thought of the topic I wrote about as a #tcchat topic. Hmmmm... |
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3:03 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@coffeethenwrite @juliov27612 Topics r open to suggestions, of course, esp right now. There's a request 4 style guides 1st, tho. :) #tcchat |
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3:03 pm
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juliov27612:
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@2moroDocs No problem. Style guides are important things. :D #tcchat |
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3:04 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@coffeethenwrite @juliov27612 I published a post yest summarizing last week's chat abt continuing. Maybe figure it out after today? #tcchat |
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3:04 pm
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juliov27612:
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@2moroDocs Sounds good. Try to get in today but still working on course development. #tcchat |
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3:05 pm
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TC_Chat:
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Morning everyone! Today's #tcchat in 2 hrs (9am PST). Topic: Accessibility. SMEs: @kmdk, @charjtf. See you then! Thx @kmdk! #techcomm |
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3:06 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Morning everyone! Today's #tcchat in 2 hrs (9am PST). Topic: Accessibility. SMEs: @kmdk, @charjtf. See you then! Thx @kmdk! |
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3:07 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Will RT links from yesterday re today's #tcchat, in case you want to take a look before the chat |
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3:10 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Links from yesterday: http://paper.li/tag/tcchat (check the 2/1 date) #tcchat |
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3:11 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @2morodocs: W3C: Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) http://www.w3.org/WAI/ accessibility guidelines and info #tcchat |
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3:11 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @2morodocs: 25 Ways to Make Your Website Accessible http://bit.ly/eAaq6D via @kmdk #tcchat |
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3:11 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @2morodocs: 25 Ways to Make Your WordPress Website More Accessible http://bit.ly/fwV2Sk via @kmdk #tcchat |
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3:11 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @2morodocs: More info re making your website accessible http://bit.ly/14cSAC via @kmdk #tcchat |
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3:12 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @2morodocs: Captioning & audio info: http://www.dcmp.org/captioningkey/ & http://www.dcmp.org/descriptionkey/ via @kmdk #tcchat |
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3:12 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @2morodocs: Technical Communication & Inclusion http://slidesha.re/bMkkJb #tcchat |
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3:12 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @2morodocs: STC AccessAbility SIG http://www.stc-access.org/ #tcchat |
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3:13 pm
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juliov27612:
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RT @2moroDocs: RT @2morodocs: Technical Communication & Inclusion http://slidesha.re/bMkkJb #tcchat |
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3:13 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @2morodocs: Yahoo Accessibility Blog http://yaccessibilityblog.com/wp/ #tcchat |
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3:14 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @2morodocs: Accessibility personas http://bit.ly/dvxsr7 #tcchat |
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3:14 pm
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helpstuff:
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RT @2moroDocs: Morning everyone! Today's #tcchat in 2 hrs (9am PST). Topic: Accessibility. SMEs: @kmdk, @charjtf. See you then! Thx @kmdk! |
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3:14 pm
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CharJTF:
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RT @2moroDocs: Morning everyone! Today's #tcchat in 2 hrs (9am PST). Topic: Accessibility. SMEs: @kmdk, @charjtf. See you then! Thx @kmdk! |
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3:15 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @2morodocs: Web accessibility: through the "eyes" of a screen reader http://bit.ly/b0sgVA #tcchat (from 2008) [look at this one] |
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3:15 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @2morodocs: Automatic Captions in YouTube Video http://bit.ly/2ZHORD #tcchat |
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3:18 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@juliov27612 Thx! I know you're really busy now - #tcchat |
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3:19 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Drop by #tcchat today if you can. You could really make a difference in someone's life. :) I'm excited to hear what the SMEs will share - |
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3:20 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Have to jump off for now. Will be back in a few - #tcchat |
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4:14 pm
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stcaccess:
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Psyched for today's 1st session of #tcchat on topic of #accessibility in 45 minutes! (12PM EST) http://on.fb.me/fq46BX #techcomm #ux |
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4:14 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@coffeethenwrite We had a mobile topic last year. Is it covered there? Here's link: http://bit.ly/a8Xwi9 #tcchat Can discuss more after 2day |
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4:15 pm
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2moroDocs:
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45 mins to start of today's #tcchat re accessibility. #techcomm #elearning #concussion |
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4:17 pm
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kmdk:
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Heading home for today's 1st session of #tcchat in 45 minutes! (12PM EST) Topic: #accessibility. http://on.fb.me/fq46BX #techcomm #ux |
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4:20 pm
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kmdk:
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Follow @tc_chat and @2moroDocs for great links & news for today's (and all) #tcchat: #accessibility & #techcomm. |
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4:26 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@coffeethenwrite ... or at least discuss after S1 today :) busy right now with that #tcchat |
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4:33 pm
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hletutour:
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RT @2moroDocs: Dans 30 min #tcchat sur l'accessibilité avec des spécialistes. Suivez le tag à partir de 18h ! #techcomm |
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4:34 pm
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hletutour:
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@2moroDocs @kmdk Thanks for all the links, great resources :-) See you in a bit! #tcchat |
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4:35 pm
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GlendaWH:
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RT @stcaccess: Super SME guests for session 2 of #tcchat, Feb 2 @ 6 PM PT: @webaxe, @musingvirtual, @GlendaWH! Join us, NZ, Oz, India, Asia! |
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4:39 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@hletutour Merci pour le RT - #tcchat |
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4:40 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@webaxe Thanks for the note about today's #tcchat sessions - and for being an SME at S2 later today! |
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4:40 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@glendawh Thx for the mention of the #tcchat sessions today. See you at S2! Thx for being a SME today! |
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4:41 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@hletutour Thx, Helene. Looking forward to seeing you at #tcchat today - |
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4:55 pm
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Jennison:
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Happening at 12PM EST: follow #tcchat and participate in the discussion on accessibility http://on.fb.me/fq46BX #techcomm #ux |
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4:57 pm
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brainenergyteam:
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RT @2moroDocs: 45 mins to start of today's #tcchat re accessibility. #techcomm #elearning #concussion |
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4:58 pm
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2moroDocs:
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#tcchat will start in a few minutes. I'll have about 9 intro tweets, then roll call, then start chat. I'll moderate, @kmdk & @CharJTF r SMEs |
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5:00 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@brainenergyteam Thx 4 RT. Starting in a few mins #tcchat #concussion |
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5:00 pm
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a11yevents:
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Happening now: follow #tcchat & participate in the discussion on accessibility http://on.fb.me/fq46BX #design #webdesign #usability |
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5:00 pm
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2moroDocs:
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A quick shoutout to @kemulholland. We'll miss u today, & I know you'll ck transcripts. Just wanted to say hi - #tcchat |
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5:01 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Hello everyone! Welcome to today?s S1 of #tcchat. The topic is Accessibility. |
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5:01 pm
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2moroDocs:
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We?re lucky today to have a11y SMEs joining us: @kmdk, @stcaccess, & @CharJTF. Welcome, & thx for taking time to be here today! #tcchat |
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5:02 pm
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2moroDocs:
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I?d like to give a special thanks to @kmdk, whose help in setting this up today has been invaluable. TY! #tcchat |
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5:02 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs I believe @jennison is also here :-) (Not sure who else...) #tcchat |
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5:02 pm
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kmdk:
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#tcchat Feeling a case of stage fright coming on! :) And split personality. Will tweet from here and from @stcaccess. |
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5:02 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Reminders: Add #tcchat to your tweets. Avoid using #techcomm as it will overwhelm that tag. Thx! Also, no proprietary info! |
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5:03 pm
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2moroDocs:
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I will post main questions/discussion points using @TC_Chat. Then you can open that feed & easily see current questions #tcchat |
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5:03 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@kmdk Don't worry! It will go fast - #tcchat |
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5:03 pm
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PattyBlount2:
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#tcchat Hello from icy NY. |
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5:03 pm
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2moroDocs:
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This #tcchat may b a little diff than usual. Will identify disc topic via @TC_Chat. SMEs will share info & answer ques. I?ll moderate. |
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5:04 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf @jennison Great! Thx #tcchat |
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5:04 pm
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stcaccess:
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#tcchat Are @jennison and @meera404 here? If you don't know them, follow them! #accessibility experts & V.N.P.s - Very Nice People! |
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5:04 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Main topics: Overview, web accessibility, video, audio #tcchat Other topics will also b discussed in S2. |
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5:04 pm
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2moroDocs:
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If Twitter goes down or there are problems, just check back &/or keep talking! #tcchat |
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5:04 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Whew! Ok. Let?s go! How about a roll call. Who?s joining us today? #tcchat |
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5:05 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs I'm here :-) #tcchat |
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5:05 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf Thx so much for joining in & being an SME #tcchat |
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5:06 pm
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2moroDocs:
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I'm going to jump in and start the chat #tcchat |
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5:06 pm
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hletutour:
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Hi everyone! Glad to be here with you! #tcchat |
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5:06 pm
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TC_Chat:
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Q1: Why is accessibility important to consider and address? #tcchat |
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5:07 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@hletutour Hi Helene! Thx for fitting this in today #tcchat |
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5:07 pm
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kmdk:
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@2morodocs And I/we all thank YOU for setting this up! #tcchat |
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5:08 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@kmdk Believe me, this wouldn't have happened without all your help. Much appreciated. #tcchat |
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5:09 pm
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stcaccess:
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@tc_chat A1: Ultimately, it's about human rights and dignity. Respect, tolerance, and understanding for all #tcchat |
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5:10 pm
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2moroDocs:
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A1: from my viewpoint, I think acc impt because it provides ppl w/a way to enhance quality of life #tcchat |
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5:10 pm
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hletutour:
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A1: Because as content providers, it's simply our duty to provide content that everyone can access? #tcchat |
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5:11 pm
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stcaccess:
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A1: Read the UN Convention of Rights and Dignity of Persons with Disabilities. http://www.un.org/disabilities/ #tcchat |
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5:11 pm
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juliov27612:
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A1: You never know who's going to be using product and documentation. #tcchat |
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5:12 pm
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juliov27612:
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Shouldn't have to legislate accessibility. #tcchat |
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5:12 pm
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deafmom:
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RT @stcaccess: A1: Read the UN Convention of Rights and Dignity of Persons with Disabilities. http://www.un.org/disabilities/ #tcchat |
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5:12 pm
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2moroDocs:
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A1: I think it's more than just being able to complete a task. Can provide independence, ability to do something else #tcchat |
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5:12 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @stcaccess: A1: Read the UN Convention of Rights and Dignity of Persons with Disabilities. http://www.un.org/disabilities/ #tcchat |
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5:13 pm
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stcaccess:
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A1: @charjtf rightly brings up word "inclusion" in accessibility discussion. Seems inclusion might be better word at times. #tcchat |
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5:14 pm
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kmdk:
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So agree. Awareness raising more constructive. RT @juliov27612: Shouldn't have to legislate accessibility. #tcchat |
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5:14 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@CharJTF @stcaccess Can u define inclusion more for us? #tcchat |
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5:14 pm
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CharJTF:
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A1: Includes how content is written/drawn (cognitive/learning), alternate access (physical). #tcchat |
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5:17 pm
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juliov27612:
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Would some best practices for globalization also handle #ally #tcchat |
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5:17 pm
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stcaccess:
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Inclusion - like @juliov27612 said, you don't truly know all members of your #techcomm audience. Make sure all can use it. #tcchat |
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5:18 pm
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TC_Chat:
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Q2: What are the legal requirements for website accessibility? #tcchat |
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5:18 pm
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aspergers2mom:
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RT @stcaccess: A1: Read the UN Convention of Rights and Dignity of Persons with Disabilities. http://www.un.org/disabilities/ #tcchat |
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5:18 pm
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2moroDocs:
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I will post more ques as we go. Limited time today; much to cover #tcchat Can keep discussing any ques at any time |
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5:18 pm
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CharJTF:
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@juliov27612 Yes, all those best practices tie together. #ally #tcchat |
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5:19 pm
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stcaccess:
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Yes @juliov27612, many best practices for globalization = #ally. Plain language 1st I think of. #tcchat |
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5:19 pm
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juliov27612:
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@CharJTF @stcaccess Thanks for the validation of the best practices. #ally #tcchat |
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5:19 pm
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Jennison:
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#tcchat remember that accessibility is not only about the web, but documents too, such as PDFs, Word & other file formats; multimedia too. |
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5:20 pm
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darrell:
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RT @Jennison: #tcchat remember that accessibility is not only about the web, but documents too, such as PDFs, Word & other file formats; multimedia too. |
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5:20 pm
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CharJTF:
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RT @Jennison: #tcchat remember that accessibility is not only about the web, but documents too, such as PDFs, Word & other file formats; multimedia too. |
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5:21 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@jennison Thx 4 pointing that out. #tcchat @kmdk found many links w/regard to those items. Posted earlier today, & will b in paper |
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5:21 pm
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hletutour:
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RT @Jennison: #tcchat remember that accessibility is not only about the web, but documents too - absolutely! it's too often reduced to Web |
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5:21 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@kmdk Is there a lot of variation in legal reqs for diff countries? #tcchat Need to think of that re global docs |
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5:22 pm
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stcaccess:
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Yes! RT @jennison: #tcchat ...t accessibility is not only about web, but docs too, such as PDFs, Word & other file formats; multimedia too. |
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5:22 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Starting web accessibility info #tcchat ... |
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5:23 pm
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TC_Chat:
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Q4: What are some accessibility changes you can make to a website, web docs, blog? #tcchat |
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5:24 pm
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TC_Chat:
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Q4 con't: and to PDFs, Word, as mentioned in earlier tweets #tcchat |
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5:24 pm
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Jennison:
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#tcchat And we can't forget about mobile app accessibility, which is, imho the next big frontier. |
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5:25 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@kmdk had some good links earlier re web items. Will repost now #tcchat |
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5:26 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@stcaccess Where do we begin now with all that? #tcchat |
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5:26 pm
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stcaccess:
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By the way, WCAG20 is Web Content Accessibility Guidelines v 2.0 from W3C. http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/ #tcchat |
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5:27 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT More info re making your website accessible http://bit.ly/14cSAC via @kmdk #tcchat |
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5:27 pm
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juliov27612:
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Not sure I understand Q4. #tcchat |
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5:27 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT 25 Ways to Make Your WordPress Website More Accessible http://bit.ly/fwV2Sk via @kmdk #tcchat |
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5:28 pm
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hletutour:
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A4: To make accessible websites, I suppose one can start by writing proper code, w/ structure: headers, links, alt text... #TCchat |
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5:28 pm
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2moroDocs:
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25 Ways to Make Your Website Accessible http://bit.ly/eAaq6D via @kmdk #tcchat |
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5:28 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@stcaccess W3C info: Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) http://www.w3.org/WAI/ #tcchat |
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5:29 pm
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stcaccess:
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@2morodocs You lost me on "Where do we begin now with all that?" What's that? #tcchat |
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5:29 pm
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CharJTF:
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A4: Check color contrast levels (applies to docs, apps, websites). Lots of apps/plug-ins available. Need good contrast. #tcchat |
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5:30 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@juliov27612 Talking abt what you can do w/content for web access (& other) like what @kmdk mentioned: alt tag, headings, color? #tcchat |
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5:30 pm
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juliov27612:
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@2moroDocs Okay... got it now. #tcchat |
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5:30 pm
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2moroDocs:
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I have a ques re color. Should we avoid use of green? #tcchat |
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5:30 pm
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juliov27612:
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@2moroDocs Guess I'm used to doing that and I avoid color altogether. LOL #tcchat |
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5:31 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs No, green is fine. Almost all colors are fine. It's contrast between nearby colors that matters. #tcchat |
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5:31 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@stcaccess W/regard to global legal reqs. I think you answered that, tho #tcchat |
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5:31 pm
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stcaccess:
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@juliov27612 Q4 asks how can we in #techcomm begin to make things more accessible in each medium. #tcchat |
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5:31 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@juliov27612 Good plan! LOL #tcchat |
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5:32 pm
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stcaccess:
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@2morodocs I do have a better resource (or quote) about global legal reqs I can dig out after the official chat. #tcchat |
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5:32 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf I would assume that a black or dark background wouldn't as well as a white background? #tcchat Is that right? |
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5:33 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@stcaccess Great! Thx. I think such global info will only b more impt. Plus, that ties in to your thought abt content strategy plans #tcchat |
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5:34 pm
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kmdk:
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A4: Oh yes, color (or colour!) is an issue that needs more loving #techcomm care. Good for easy wins. #tcchat #colorblind |
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5:34 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@stcaccess Re content strategy plans: impt to get a11y plans from the start? Dev, too? #tcchat |
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5:34 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs Dark vs white backgrounds is more usability...studies show white is easier, as long as text is black/near-black/dark. #tcchat |
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5:35 pm
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stcaccess:
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I have links about colorblind issues that I can share after #tcchat. Too uncoordinated to dig out now! |
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5:35 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@kmdk For colorblind, is it more the colors themselves or the contrast? If colors, which shld we steer away from? #tcchat |
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5:36 pm
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2moroDocs:
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What about low vision? #tcchat |
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5:36 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs Planning is always good :-) But retrofitting is possible (and some parts are fairly easy). #tcchat |
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5:36 pm
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juliov27612:
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Got to drop out. Thanks all. #tcchat |
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5:37 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs Contrast is the most important. 4 kinds of colorblindness, affects different color ranges. #tcchat |
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5:37 pm
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kmdk:
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Amen, @2morodocs, use #ContentStrategy to bring #accessibility into *all* planning from Day 1. Includes Dev. We're inclusive! :) #tcchat |
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5:37 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf Which parts are easy? What might we b able to take away today & start applying? #tcchat |
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5:37 pm
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stcaccess:
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@juliov27612 Thanks for your great questions! We learn from each other! #tcchat |
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5:37 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs What @kmdk/@stcaccess listed earlier: headings, structure, alt attributes. #tcchat |
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5:38 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@juliov27612 TY Julio! Appreciate your time. Know you're very busy right now #tcchat |
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5:39 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf Good 2 know. There are some great examples in those articles @kmdk found for us earlier #tcchat |
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5:39 pm
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stcaccess:
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@2morodocs Low vision might mean using screen magnifier. Layout could be imp. there. E.g. Watch the clutter and fluff. #tcchat |
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5:39 pm
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CharJTF:
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A?: Therefore, they've already got their own color map in their head. It just doesn't match ours. (2/2) #tcchat |
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5:40 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Shifting to video information #tcchat |
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5:40 pm
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TC_Chat:
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Q5: What considerations are needed for video? #tcchat |
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5:41 pm
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kmdk:
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@2morodocs As @charjtf says, contrast is key, so you can't necessarily say don't use color X. Font size plays a role too. #tcchat |
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5:41 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@kmdk Well, thx to you for pointing that out to me earlier. :) #tcchat |
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5:42 pm
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kmdk:
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Nightmare scenario is 6pt sans serif font in black on red background. I've seen that in newspapers. Yikes. #tcchat |
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5:42 pm
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hletutour:
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A5: providing scripts or captions with videos seems to be a good start #TCchat |
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5:42 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@kmdk Good to know. I'm making a new website, & was planning 2 use green. Then found more & thought uh-oh. Won't work! #tcchat |
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5:43 pm
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kmdk:
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@charjtf Thanks for the word structure. I was thinking "reading order" and thought it was too long for Twitter. :) #tcchat |
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5:43 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@kmdk 6pt! What's preferred point size? Also, need to allow for ppl to adjust point size right on a site? #tcchat |
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5:43 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs Green is fine...just don't use yellow or red text ;-) Your other color will depend on shade of green that you use. #tcchat |
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5:44 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs NEVER use points in HTML. Use em, %, px. ("points is print"). With latest versions of IE, px resizes in all browsers. #tcchat |
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5:44 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@hletutour Turns out there's a way 2 add captions after-the-fact. There's something on Google that does that. It's in 1 of the links #tcchat |
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5:45 pm
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2moroDocs:
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How do we add captions at the start? #tcchat |
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5:46 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf Ques there. Common to use red for warnings in docs. How do we handle that? #tcchat |
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5:46 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs Red is fine. Will be perceived as "red" by all. Make sure it's on a white background for best contrast. #tcchat |
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5:46 pm
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hletutour:
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@2moroDocs "add captions after-the-fact": yes, I've seen that, works pretty well on YouTube! #TCchat |
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5:46 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT @charjtf: NEVER use points in HTML. Use em, %, px. ("points is print"). With latest versions of IE, px resizes in all browsers. #tcchat |
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5:47 pm
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kmdk:
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A5: I wrote how-to for YouTube captions. Easy-peasy. http://ow.ly/3P0N1 Must download to see explanatory notes. #tcchat |
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5:47 pm
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2biazdk:
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RT @kmdk: Nightmare scenario is 6pt sans serif font in black on red background. I've seen that in newspapers. Yikes. #tcchat |
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5:48 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf Good to know. May ask you more about that afterwards. :) #tcchat |
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5:48 pm
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CharJTF:
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RT @kmdk: A5: I wrote how-to for YouTube captions. Easy-peasy. http://ow.ly/3P0N1 Must download to see explanatory notes. #tcchat |
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5:48 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs Fire away :-) #tcchat |
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5:48 pm
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kmdk:
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@charjtf @2moroDocs Can also use something else like underline or a warning symbol (req. in some industries) in margin. #tcchat |
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5:49 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@hletutour Great! I'm going to test that out for my little video. #tcchat Can localize captions on YouTube, too, I think |
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5:49 pm
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hletutour:
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@kmdk Thanks for the link, Karen #TCchat |
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5:49 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Yikes! Only 10 mins left. Quick jump to audio... #tcchat |
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5:49 pm
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CharJTF:
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@kmdk @2moroDocs Yes, should always use secondary reference of some kind. That's why WinHelp used neon green & underline/dotted ;-) #tcchat |
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5:50 pm
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TC_Chat:
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Q6: What considerations are needed for audio? #tcchat |
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5:50 pm
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stcaccess:
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Excellent resource for seriously serious HTML5 + video work is http://blog.gingertech.net/ by @silviapfeiffer #tcchat |
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5:50 pm
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2moroDocs:
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RT Captioning & audio info: http://www.dcmp.org/captioningkey/ & http://www.dcmp.org/descriptionkey/ via @kmdk #tcchat |
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5:51 pm
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kmdk:
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@hletutour You're welcome! #tcchat |
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5:51 pm
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MikeStarrWriter:
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@CharJTF @2moroDocs I've found that red (255,0,0) contrasts really well with yellow (255,255,0) #tcchat |
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5:52 pm
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2biazdk:
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RT @kmdk: A5: I wrote how-to for YouTube captions. Easy-peasy. http://ow.ly/3P0N1 Must download to see explanatory notes. #tcchat |
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5:52 pm
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2moroDocs:
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This surprised me. SMEs, is this still the case? Web acc: through the "eyes" of a screen reader http://bit.ly/b0sgVA #tcchat (from 2008) |
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5:52 pm
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stcaccess:
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A6: Watch the background noise. Clear speech can drown in "colorful noise". Articulate, too! #tcchat |
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5:53 pm
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2moroDocs:
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W/my limited knowledge, seems that the Skip links are very impt. Correct? #tcchat |
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5:54 pm
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CharJTF:
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@MikeStarrWriter @2moroDocs @2moroDocs #tcchat Yep, it's still the case. "Click here" (by itself) is bad for #a11y. #tcchat |
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5:54 pm
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stcaccess:
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A6: *Lots* of info from @dcmp_tweets at http://www.dcmp.org/keystoaccess/ on captioning & descriptioning. #tcchat |
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5:55 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs Latest best practices say to use "Skip to Main Content". ("Skip to Content" can be read wrong...page isn't happy ;-) ) #tcchat |
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5:55 pm
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2moroDocs:
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And Skip links should be at the top of the page? So screen reader finds them first? #tcchat |
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5:56 pm
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2moroDocs:
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I'm so new at this. Learning as I go. Thx, SMEs for all your expertise #tcchat |
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5:57 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf In that video, seemed that it read links. If you skip to content, does it bypass links at the start? #tcchat |
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5:57 pm
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stcaccess:
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Just caught some tweets about pros & cons of skip links yesterday. Will find & post later. #tcchat #SkipLinks (Do you know, @Jennison) |
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5:58 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs "Skip" is a link to a bookmark...goes to wherever the bookmark is located, usually right before the content. (1/2) #tcchat |
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5:58 pm
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musingvirtual:
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Happy to see #tcchat tweets go by! I'm at work now, but I'm glad to be joining y'all for the second session tonight, in 8 hours! |
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5:58 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@stcaccess Yea! Thx. I have to say, that video really surprised me. Everybody should look at that, IMO. #tcchat |
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5:59 pm
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CharJTF:
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@2moroDocs In that demo, they were reading links to show why "Skip" is so important. Can also put content first in HTML. (2/2) #tcchat |
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5:59 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@musingvirtual Great! TY so much. We've learned much here in S1 today #tcchat |
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6:00 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf If you know of any other videos for that, I'd love to see them. Will def look at info @stcaccess mentioned earlier #tcchat |
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6:00 pm
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maccymacx:
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stuck in insane traffic so being nosey & rummaging thru #tcchat #a11y conversations :D |
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6:00 pm
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CharJTF:
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@MikeStarrWriter Yes, pure red and pure yellow work OK together...but very few people use pure colors. Easier to avoid. #tcchat |
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6:00 pm
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stcaccess:
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#a11y considerations for video & docs - Adobe has resources for learning how-to at http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/ #tcchat |
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6:01 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@maccymacx Transcripts will be avail later. Will post link #tcchat Be careful! |
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6:01 pm
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stcaccess:
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Follow @awkawk and @mattmay for more savvy, sharp #a11y insights with #Adobe products. #tcchat |
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6:02 pm
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adotnon:
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RT @Jennison: #tcchat remember that accessibility is not only about the web, but documents too, such as PDFs, Word & other file formats; multimedia too. |
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6:02 pm
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2moroDocs:
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An hour has already zipped by. This was a fast one! Will "officially" close S1. Feel free to stay around & discuss more #tcchat |
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6:02 pm
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hletutour:
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Are there jobs that focus on #a11y? like consulting maybe? Or do you all apply these rules when producing content? just wondering #TCchat |
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6:02 pm
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maccymacx:
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@2moroDocs thanks and will do :D #tcchat |
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6:03 pm
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stcaccess:
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The #stcorg Intercom magazine is chock full of #accessibility articles this month. Editor: Awesome #charjtf http://ow.ly/3P1yK #tcchat |
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6:03 pm
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pauledwards76:
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RT @stcaccess: A1: @charjtf rightly brings up word "inclusion" in accessibility discussion. Seems inclusion might be better word at times. #tcchat |
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6:03 pm
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2moroDocs:
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I can stay until 10:15, then have to head out. But keep talking if you want! Excellent info today. #tcchat |
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6:04 pm
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CharJTF:
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WGBH (http://is.gd/xoTkyY, @AccessWGBH) provides lots of #a11y info. #tcchat |
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6:05 pm
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kmdk:
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@hletutour Follow @a11yjobs for insights into what #accessibility-related jobs are out there. Run by awesome @jennison. #tcchat |
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6:05 pm
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2moroDocs:
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TY so much, @kmdk, @charjtf, @stcaccess for being here today. It was great to have that expertise for us! #tcchat |
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6:06 pm
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CharJTF:
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@hletutour Yes, there are jobs...follow @a11yjobs (run by @Jennison) for a partial list. #TCchat (fixed name) |
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6:06 pm
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2moroDocs:
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TY @hletutour @juliov27612 & everyone who participated & sent RTs & followed along! #tcchat |
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6:06 pm
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hletutour:
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@kmdk ok, will definitely do. Thanks Karen! #TCchat |
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6:07 pm
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lrmeyer747:
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RT @stcaccess: Follow @awkawk and @mattmay for more savvy, sharp #a11y insights with #Adobe products. #tcchat |
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6:07 pm
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hletutour:
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@2moroDocs Thank you so much for organizing this session! Really good discussion today. TY everyone for your great inputs! #TCchat |
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6:07 pm
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stcaccess:
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Whew! Session 1 of #tcchat was hectic (for me) but fun. Session 2 starts at 6 PM PT. Other time zones get their turn. Have fun! |
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6:08 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Links galore today! Latest version of paper published. Be sure & look at today, yest, & 2moro's as well http://paper.li/tag/tcchat #tcchat |
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6:08 pm
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lrmeyer747:
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RT @stcaccess: A6: Watch the background noise. Clear speech can drown in "colorful noise". Articulate, too! #tcchat |
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6:08 pm
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stcaccess:
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Session 2 of #tcchat will see brilliance from @webaxe, @musingvirtual, and hopefully, @GlendaWH. How about you, @Jennison? |
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6:09 pm
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stcaccess:
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Oh, don't forget to follow @a11yevents, maintained by @Jennison, for news of events that may be happening in your neighborhood. #tcchat |
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6:09 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@hletutour TY Helene! Much, much credit goes to @kmdk. She's been helping for weeks with this. :) #tcchat Thx SMEs (for both sessions) |
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6:10 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@stcaccess Goes fast, doesn't it? #tcchat If you think of anything else later, please share! |
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6:10 pm
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kmdk:
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@charjtf Ha, seems like we both tweeted about @Jennison's @a11yjobs at same time. :) #tcchat |
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6:10 pm
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pellegrino5:
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RT @stcaccess: A1: @charjtf rightly brings up word "inclusion" in accessibility discussion. Seems inclusion might be better word at times. #tcchat |
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6:11 pm
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pellegrino5:
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RT @stcaccess: A1: Read the UN Convention of Rights and Dignity of Persons with Disabilities. http://www.un.org/disabilities/ #tcchat |
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6:12 pm
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stcaccess:
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@hletutour Pour l'information de l'accessibilité en francais, il y'a @dboudreau, @webatou, @rabelaisa11y, @vavroom #tcchat |
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6:12 pm
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rjhoughton:
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RT @stcaccess: The #stcorg Intercom magazine is chock full of #accessibility articles this month. Editor: Awesome #charjtf http://ow.ly/3P1yK #tcchat |
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6:13 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Incredible amt of great info 2day in S1 of #tcchat. Pls chk transcripts later for exc info, resource links #techcomm #elearning #concussion |
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6:13 pm
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hletutour:
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@kmdk @charjtf Yes, thank you both for the info. Looks like jobs are mostly in the US though (I'm in France). Will dig thru #TCchat |
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6:13 pm
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hletutour:
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@stcaccess Merci beaucoup ! #TCchat |
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6:14 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Will post more #tcchat info later 2day. #concussion #elearning #techcomm For now, at least check this: http://paper.li/tag/tcchat Thx! |
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6:15 pm
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stcaccess:
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The flood of tweets with #tcchat hashtag today were about the heart of @stcaccess: technical communication & #accessibility! Yum! |
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6:15 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Have to head out. :( Incredible #tcchat You all helped change some lives today. Thx so much!!! |
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6:16 pm
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kiwijt:
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RT @Jennison: #tcchat remember that accessibility is not only about the web, but documents too, such as PDFs, Word & other file formats; multimedia too. |
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6:17 pm
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hletutour:
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@2moroDocs Same here. Will check paper and transcripts 2moro. HUGE THANKS to you all, it was a really amazing session :-) #TCchat |
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6:17 pm
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kmdk:
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Some resources from today's #tcchat are already published at http://paper.li/tag/tcchat by @2morodocs #concussion #elearning #techcomm |
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6:17 pm
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stcaccess:
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Some resources from today's #tcchat are already published at http://paper.li/tag/tcchat by @2morodocs #concussion #elearning #techcomm |
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6:19 pm
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CharJTF:
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@kmdk Great minds think alike :-) cc: @jennison #tcchat |
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6:21 pm
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kmdk:
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@2morodocs I owe a bunch of links for #tcchat. Later. Now for some Brazilian feijão with BFF from India here in Copenhagen! #CultureMix! |
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6:22 pm
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kmdk:
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@hletutour I think @Jennison both culls and gets input for @a11yjobs. Need for more to share job links with him to broaden scope. #tcchat |
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6:23 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Quick reminder b4 I head out. Don't forget S2 of accessiblity #tcchat at 6pm PST 2day. More grt info 2 come #techcomm #elearning #concussion |
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6:23 pm
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kmdk:
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@hletutour Maybe @webatou shares #a11y job links? Or her twitter followers? Sometimes @stceusig has one. #tcchat |
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6:24 pm
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2moroDocs:
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Can get transcipts now here: http://wthashtag.com/Tcchat Look at Transcripts tag & run it #tcchat #techcomm #elearning #concussion |
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6:25 pm
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kmdk:
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@charjtf It was fun working with you, although I felt we were back to back facing toward all the incoming questions. :D #tcchat |
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6:27 pm
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CharJTF:
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@kmdk LOL! I'll always have your back :-) (And it was fun working with you, too :-) ) #tcchat |
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6:27 pm
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stcaccess:
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.@2morodocs says #tcchat transcipts ready at http://wthashtag.com/Tcchat Look at Transcripts tag & run it #techcomm #elearning #concussion |
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8:00 pm
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Jennison:
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At 9PM EST tonight track #tcchat & participate in session 2 on accessibility http://on.fb.me/fq46BX #techcomm #design #usability |
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8:05 pm
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a11yevents:
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On Feb 2 at 9PM EST track #tcchat & participate in session 2 on accessibility http://on.fb.me/fq46BX #usability #webdesign |
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8:07 pm
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webaxe:
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Correction: The second #tcchat Twitter discussion on accessibility is at 9PM EST (GMT -5) http://on.fb.me/fq46BX #techcomm #a11y #axs |
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8:37 pm
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stenoknight:
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RT @stcaccess: Oh, don't forget to follow @a11yevents, maintained by @Jennison, for news of events that may be happening in your neighborhood. #tcchat |
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9:50 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@jennison TY @Jennison @dennisl @musingvirtual @GlendaWH for helping out at S2 tonight :) #tcchat |
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10:12 pm
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emcod:
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Some thoughts on over-documenting features - what are yours? Subtraction.com: Unnecessary Explanations http://ow.ly/3Pc68 #tcchat |
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February 3, 2011
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12:26 am
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2moroDocs:
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@emcod Good link. Interesting post. Thanks for sharing it - #tcchat |
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12:30 am
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2moroDocs:
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@emcod Seems to me like u could do w/o things he noted (in other words, I agree). Seems like users wld know or b able to figure out #tcchat |
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12:42 am
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dboudreau:
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RT @Jennison: #tcchat And we can't forget about mobile app accessibility, which is, imho the next big frontier. |
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1:12 am
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TC_Chat:
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About 50 mins to #tcchat S2. 6pm PST Topic: Accessibility. SMEs: @webaxe @musingvirtual @GlendaWH @jennison Thx all! #techcomm #elearning |
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1:12 am
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2moroDocs:
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About 50 mins to #tcchat S2. 6pm PST Topic: Accessibility. SMEs: @webaxe @musingvirtual @GlendaWH @jennison Thx all! |
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1:13 am
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sarahmaddox:
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RT @TC_Chat: About 50 mins to #tcchat S2. 6pm PST Topic: Accessibility. SMEs: @webaxe @musingvirtual @GlendaWH @jennison Thx all! #techcomm #elearning |
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1:19 am
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musingvirtual:
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Hey world, I'm a guest on #tcchat tonight in 40 minutes with other #accessibility #a11y subject matter experts @webaxe @glendawh @Jennison |
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1:20 am
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Jennison:
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Happening at 9PM EST: follow #tcchat and participate in the discussion on accessibility http://on.fb.me/fq46BX #techcomm #design #ux |
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1:27 am
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2moroDocs:
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Was an incredible amount of info shared earlier in #tcchat S1. Here are links: http://paper.li/tag/tcchat |
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1:31 am
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TC_Chat:
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RT @2morodocs: Was an incredible amount of info shared earlier in #tcchat S1. Here are links: http://paper.li/tag/tcchat |
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1:33 am
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2moroDocs:
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@musingvirtual I use HootSuite and set up a column just for the #tcchat tag. Only way I can do it. Hv 2 watch much. Some use TweetDeck |
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1:40 am
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2moroDocs:
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My last tweet took a while to go through. Hope they won't be slow tonight - #tcchat |
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1:45 am
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2moroDocs:
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@glendawh If you look at @TC_Chat feed, you can see ques from S1. #tcchat |
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1:56 am
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2moroDocs:
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@musingvirtual Good! I have 3 cols showing. #tcchat, my mentions, & sent. Sometimes the chat tag is left off, so the mentions column is impt |
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1:58 am
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2moroDocs:
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Just a few mins away now... #tcchat |
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2:01 am
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AccessibleTwitr:
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Follow #tcchat for the next hour for tweeting about #Accessibility with SME @MusingVirtual @GlendaWH and @WebAxe! |
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2:01 am
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dennisl:
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Follow #tcchat for the next hour for tweeting about #Accessibility with SME @MusingVirtual @GlendaWH and @WebAxe! #a11y |
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2:01 am
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2moroDocs:
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Ok. Here we go! Hello everyone! Welcome to today?s S2 of #tcchat. The topic is Accessibility. |
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2:02 am
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2moroDocs:
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We?re lucky today to have a11y SMEs joining us: @webaxe, @musingvirtual, & @GlendaWH. Welcome & thx for taking time 2 be here today! #tcchat |
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2:02 am
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2moroDocs:
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I?d like to give a special thanks to @kmdk, whose help in setting this up today has been invaluable. TY! #tcchat |
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2:03 am
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GlendaWH:
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RT @dennisl: Follow #tcchat for the next hour for tweeting about #Accessibility with SME @MusingVirtual @GlendaWH and @WebAxe! #a11y |
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2:03 am
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2moroDocs:
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(for those new to the chat, I usually have a few intro tweets before starting convos) #tcchat |
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2:03 am
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musingvirtual:
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RT @dennisl: Follow #tcchat for the next hour for tweeting about #Accessibility with SME @MusingVirtual @GlendaWH and @WebAxe! #a11y #tcchat |
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2:03 am
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2moroDocs:
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Reminders: Add #tcchat to your tweets. Avoid using #techcomm as it will overwhelm that tag. Thx! Also, no proprietary info! |
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2:04 am
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sarahmaddox:
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Hallo from Sydney to all at #tcchat looking forward to chatting about #a11y in #techcomm |
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2:04 am
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2moroDocs:
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I will post main questions/discussion points using @TC_Chat. Then you can open that feed & easily see current questions #tcchat |
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2:04 am
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2moroDocs:
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Main topics: Overview, web accessibility, cognitive, maybe some dev?? #tcchat Other topics were also discussed in S1. |
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2:05 am
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kirstyt:
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Hello to the #tcchat S2 tweeps. |
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2:05 am
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2moroDocs:
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If Twitter goes down or there are problems, just check back &/or keep talking! #tcchat |
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2:05 am
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2moroDocs:
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Last of the intro tweets. How about a roll call. Who's joining us today? #tcchat |
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2:06 am
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2moroDocs:
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Wow! Lots of SMEs and people joining tonight. Thx for coming by! #tcchat |
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2:07 am
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musingvirtual:
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Hello from Oakland, CA #tcchat folks! I'm a content & community manager for @sextech in my day job, work on a11y standards by night! #tcchat |
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2:07 am
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2moroDocs:
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Q1: Why is accessibility important to consider and address? #tcchat |
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2:08 am
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GlendaWH:
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@2moroDocs Hello from Surrey, British Columbia, Canada. #tcchat |
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2:08 am
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2moroDocs:
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Had 2 send Q1 via @2moroDocs. Wouldn't go through other acct. #tcchat Sorry for delay - |
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2:08 am
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musingvirtual:
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I also run @gimpgirl and can talk about how we use social media & virtual worlds to foster conversation among women w disabilities. #tcchat |
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2:09 am
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2moroDocs:
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@dennisl @musingvirtual @GlendaWH Thx for being SMEs today - #tcchat |
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2:10 am
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2moroDocs:
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@musingvirtual That would be great. #tcchat |
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2:11 am
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2moroDocs:
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Am I getting this right from the SMEs. Expertise in web accessibility, including dev & websites/blogs. Also, socmed & virtual? #tcchat |
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2:11 am
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GlendaWH:
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A1 accessibility is more than a list of requirements. It's about people, freedom, empowerment. #tcchat |
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2:12 am
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2moroDocs:
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@glendawh That's my impression. Not just about stepping through screens. Actually impacts lives. #tcchat |
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2:12 am
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musingvirtual:
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A1 because accessibility makes the web more usable for people with disabilities, but also for EVERYONE #tcchat |
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2:13 am
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musingvirtual:
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A1 a more accessible site works better on mobile, is more optimized for seo, is more usable, and is compliant with HTML/CSS stds #tcchat |
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2:14 am
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2moroDocs:
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@musingvirtual How closely do you think it ties in with usability? #tcchat |
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2:14 am
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2moroDocs:
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@musingvirtual Good to know all that #tcchat |
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2:15 am
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GlendaWH:
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@2moroDocs Yes, accessibility impacts every facet of life, and with more online, web accessibility is more important #tcchat |
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2:15 am
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sarahmaddox:
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@musingvirtual #tcchat is there an authoritative source for a11y and usability ideals? |
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2:15 am
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musingvirtual:
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@2moroDocs #accessibility #standards suggest general #ux principles like logical navigation structure, clear labeling, plain lang #tcchat |
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2:15 am
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webaxe:
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Why #a11y? Inherently better usability; widen user base; law; and social responsibility. #tcchat |
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2:16 am
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musingvirtual:
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RT @webaxe: Why #a11y? Inherently better usability; widen user base; law; and social responsibility. #tcchat |
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2:16 am
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2moroDocs:
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@glendawh Exc point #tcchat Everything is going online, for sure |
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2:17 am
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musingvirtual:
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@sarahmaddox Most a11y laws are moving towards being subsets of W3C WCAG 2.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/ #tcchat |
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2:18 am
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chadleaman:
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#a11y often increases #SEO, so it helps computers and users #tcchat |
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2:18 am
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webaxe:
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Why #a11y? Also, I recommend this business case info: http://www.w3.org/WAI/bcase/ #tcchat |
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2:18 am
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musingvirtual:
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@sarahmaddox a book I REALLY like on #a11y is Universal Design for Web Applications http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596518738/ #tcchat |
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2:18 am
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2moroDocs:
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@webaxe In S1, law items came up. Sounds like many guidelines 4 global. But there's one 2 focus on? WC something?? (I shld ck) #tcchat |
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2:19 am
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Jennison:
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#tcchat Jumping in to say don't forget document accessibility (e.g., PDF, Word), multimedia delivered via web or otherwise, and mobile apps. |
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2:19 am
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GlendaWH:
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@sarahmaddox Also the WEB Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 as a recognized source #tcchat |
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2:19 am
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2moroDocs:
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Good to know abt SEO & biz cases. Thx for info #tcchat |
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2:19 am
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kirstyt:
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Does anyone know about a11y laws in Australia? #tcchat |
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2:20 am
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2moroDocs:
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@jennison Glad u mentioned that. Ran out of time earlier. Perhaps we can discuss that more in S2? #tcchat |
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2:20 am
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sarahtp:
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@kirstyt All Govt websites to be WCAG A compliant by 2012, AA by 2014 for Fed only #tcchat |
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2:21 am
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2moroDocs:
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We didn't get to mobile, either. Can we discuss that more now? #tcchat |
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2:21 am
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sarahtp:
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@kirstyt And the Disability Discrimination Act advisory notes update Q4 last year endorse WCAG 2.0 #tcchat |
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2:21 am
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webaxe:
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Why #a11y? Lastly, usually means using web standards, which decreases weight of site & increases user agents that can access. #tcchat |
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2:22 am
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GlendaWH:
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@chadleaman Yes, accessibility benefits seo, after all Google is blind and deaf. #tcchat |
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2:22 am
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TC_Chat:
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Q2: What accessibility considerations are there for mobile? #tcchat |
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2:23 am
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kirstyt:
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@sarahtp Thank you! #tcchat |
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2:24 am
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ms_marques:
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Just joining #tcchat s2 |
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2:24 am
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2moroDocs:
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Assume web a11y considerations all apply to mobile, but extra items, too? Like fonts, links ... what else? #tcchat |
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2:25 am
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musingvirtual:
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@sarahtp @kirstyt so actually in the US the advanced notice of proposed rulemaking suggests that the ADA may harmonize w WCAG2 #tcchat |
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2:25 am
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sarahmaddox:
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@webaxe #tcchat Thanks, the business case doc could be very useful in commercial environments |
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2:25 am
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2moroDocs:
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and also, per @jennison point, what abt PDFs on iPads, phones, etc in addition to regular online/print? #tcchat |
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2:25 am
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musingvirtual:
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@sarahtp @kirstyt also in the US, Section 508 now harmonizes with WCAG 2.0 level A. #tcchat |
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2:26 am
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2moroDocs:
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Very, very slow from this end. My tweets taking forever. Sorry! #tcchat |
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2:27 am
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GlendaWH:
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@TC_Chat A2 Definitely avoid Flash - doesn't work on iPads, etc. #tcchat |
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2:27 am
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musingvirtual:
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@sarahtp @kirstyt also, I suggest @rickybuchanan and @atmac for an accessibility resource in australia. #tcchat |
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2:27 am
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musingvirtual:
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@2morodocs i am having the same issue with slow tweets #tcchat |
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2:27 am
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2moroDocs:
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@ms_marques Hi! Thx for joining in. #tcchat |
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2:28 am
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ms_marques:
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Great... trying to join #tcchat about accessibility but cannot connect to search. :-( |
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2:28 am
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kirstyt:
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@musingvirtual Thanks. I do very little with web, mostly application dev. Tho 1 app is browser & Flash-based. #tcchat |
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2:28 am
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musingvirtual:
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@ms_marques try tweetchat.com #tcchat |
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2:29 am
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sarahtp:
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@musingvirtual Thank you, all very useful. #tcchat |
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2:29 am
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musingvirtual:
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@kirstyt there are in general fewer resources on non-web software accessibility, unfortunately #tcchat |
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2:29 am
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GlendaWH:
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@musingvirtual @sarahtp @kirstyt Keep in mind Level A is minimum accessibility. Aim higher, where possible, please. #tcchat |
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2:30 am
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TC_Chat:
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Q3: What about things like ads on sites? How to handle? No flashing ones maybe? #tcchat |
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2:30 am
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ms_marques:
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@musingvirtual Thx, but I'm using app on my mobile. Search letting me into #tcchat again. |
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2:31 am
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musingvirtual:
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@GlendaWH @sarahtp @kirstyt Agreed, Level AA compliance is really more what things are moving towards I think. #tcchat |
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2:32 am
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webaxe:
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For accessibility info on the BlackBerry, follow @berryaccess; & here's the website: http://ow.ly/3PiLE #tcchat |
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2:32 am
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musingvirtual:
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@GlendaWH @sarahtp @kirstyt that said, AAA is an ideal rarely met in practice, and especially not by large, complex sites. #tcchat |
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2:32 am
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2moroDocs:
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@webaxe Can you perhaps tell us more from a dev point of view what's most impt or easiest to implement? #tcchat |
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2:32 am
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GlendaWH:
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@TC_Chat A3 Flashing ads very annoying and distracting. Some flashing can cause seizures. #tcchat |
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2:33 am
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sarahmaddox:
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@TC_Chat #tcchat When developing web-based docs, we're constrained by the tools we use to publish the docs.... |
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2:33 am
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musingvirtual:
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.@perbusch is a really great resource for mobile #a11y. I wish I knew more about it. #tcchat |
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2:33 am
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sarahmaddox:
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@TC_Chat #tcchat ... so the simple techniques, that we do have power over, are the most useful |
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2:33 am
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musingvirtual:
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The reason that #a11y benefits mobile users is 3 fold #tcchat |
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2:34 am
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2moroDocs:
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1 thing I really like on @webaxe Accessible Twitter app is the list of features. Great way to see what's implemented. Like a cklist #tcchat |
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2:34 am
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musingvirtual:
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1) mobile users have a small screen where they must magnify pages, just like many visually impaired users do #tcchat |
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2:34 am
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ms_marques:
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@GlendaWH flashing ads annoy many ppl regardless of ability #tcchat |
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2:35 am
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2moroDocs:
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@sarahmaddox I have a couple of links that may help in that regard. Just a sec #tcchat |
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2:35 am
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webaxe:
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For a large block of ads on your web page, provide an anchor link to skip over them. #tcchat |
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2:35 am
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musingvirtual:
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2) mobile users are easily distracted by stimuli in their environment, like users with cognitive disabilities. #tcchat |
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2:35 am
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GlendaWH:
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A3 re flashing content - see comment from Isha at http://blogaccessibility.com/blog-accessibility-is-about-people-share-your-story/ #tcchat |
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2:36 am
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musingvirtual:
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3) mobile users have very large fingers and small click targets, which means they sometimes are like users with low dexterity #tcchat |
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2:36 am
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ms_marques:
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@sarahmaddox does Confluence provide a way to add alt text to images? #tcchat |
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2:36 am
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musingvirtual:
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Summary of my A2 then is that accessibility specialists have already solved many of the challenges inherent in mobile #ux design #tcchat |
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2:37 am
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GlendaWH:
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Amen! RT @ms_marques: @GlendaWH flashing ads annoy many ppl regardless of ability #tcchat |
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2:37 am
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2moroDocs:
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@sarahmaddox If u look at http://paper.li/tag/tcchat, there are articles re web access. Some items not just for some tools #tcchat |
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2:38 am
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musingvirtual:
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@TC_Chat A3 @GlendaWH already got to the "no flashing content", but if u want screenreader users 2 read ads, use alt text & seo! #tcchat |
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2:38 am
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2moroDocs:
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Examples: use of alt tags, headings, links, colors #tcchat |
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2:38 am
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webaxe:
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On flashing/ads, WCAG 2.0 says must be less than 3 times per second: http://bit.ly/e8R8h7 #tcchat |
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2:38 am
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2moroDocs:
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wow. no tweets. then 12 at once. #tcchat |
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2:38 am
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sarahmaddox:
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@musingvirtual #tcchat ha ha I like that. |
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2:39 am
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musingvirtual:
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@sarahmaddox W3C has Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines, which get at the important issue of design tools' affordances for a11y #tcchat |
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2:41 am
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TC_Chat:
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Q4: Are there a11y considerations for having links open in new windows? #tcchat |
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2:41 am
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sarahmaddox:
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@ms_marques Yes, you can just add the HTML "alt" attribute as a parameter to the image wiki markup #tcchat |
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2:42 am
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musingvirtual:
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@sarahmaddox I used to work in large enterprise and can answer some questions about #a11y in that environment. #tcchat |
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2:43 am
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musingvirtual:
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@TC_Chat yes! it's considered a bad practice to force that behavior for #a11y, and in fact i believe now for #ux in general. #tcchat |
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2:44 am
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2moroDocs:
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@musingvirtual That was news to me today. Cuz I've always had links to other sites open in another window. Why bad for a11y? #tcchat |
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2:44 am
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Jennison:
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#tcchat An issue I've heard from tech writers is that they know how to create, for ex, PDFs, but no training is given to them on a11y. |
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2:45 am
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GlendaWH:
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@TC_Chat A4 Links opening in new windows can be confusing. To be avoided unless anounncing that new window opens. #tcchat |
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2:45 am
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ms_marques:
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@sarahmaddox Thx. Although, I'm not sure alt text adds much when we already use figure captions. Thoughts? #tcchat |
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2:45 am
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musingvirtual:
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@2moroDocs http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_16_not_opening_new_windows.html gives a good outline of this (A4) #tcchat |
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2:45 am
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2moroDocs:
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Is it because of screen readers? #tcchat |
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2:46 am
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CharJTF:
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#tcchat If opening links in new window, be sure to indicate it somehow. (Better yet, don't do it.) |
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2:46 am
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2moroDocs:
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Thx for the new window info. I'm definitely learning as I go. So I'll be looking into that, for sure #tcchat |
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2:46 am
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GlendaWH:
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@ms_marques @sarahmaddox Alt should still be used, even if empty. #tcchat |
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2:47 am
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musingvirtual:
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@2moroDocs that's part of it, and I'm sure @Jennison can explain why new windows are bad for screenreader users better than me #tcchat |
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2:47 am
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webaxe:
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On link opening in new window, don't do it unless good reason. Best to give user control. If you do it, be sure to warn user! #tcchat |
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2:47 am
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2moroDocs:
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@jennison I can see that happening. Hopefully, this #tcchat will help. Ppl do review transcripts. Many good links posted. Any info wld help! |
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2:48 am
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ms_marques:
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@Jennison no training on A11y in general? Or creating accessible offs? #tcchat |
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2:48 am
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2moroDocs:
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@webaxe How do you warn them? #tcchat |
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2:48 am
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GlendaWH:
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@2moroDocs new windows are bad for those with cognitive impairments and newbies. #tcchat |
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2:49 am
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webaxe:
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To warn user of new window opening, use inline text or image with alt before the link; tooltips not always rendered to user. #tcchat |
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2:50 am
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2moroDocs:
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10 mins left. #tcchat SMEs - can u think of something we've not discussed or shld note re web access? What abt PDFs? |
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2:50 am
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ms_marques:
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@GlendaWH better to have blank alt? Or duplicate the figure caption? #tcchat |
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2:51 am
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GlendaWH:
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@2moroDocs to announce new window: text link (opens in new window). #tcchat |
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2:52 am
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webaxe:
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Legal requirements of #a11y? In general, very fuzzy in U.S. To me, legal precedent most important at this time. (Target case, etc.) #tcchat |
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2:53 am
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sarahmaddox:
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@GlendaWH Why better to have alt on images even if empty? #tcchat (Intrigued) |
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2:53 am
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musingvirtual:
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@ms_marques blank alt. duplicating the caption would mean screenreader reads it twice #tcchat |
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2:53 am
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GlendaWH:
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@ms_marques Empty alt, ie alt="' Duplicate content is annoying for screen reader users. #tcchat |
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2:53 am
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webaxe:
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Legal requirements of #a11y? In U.S., follow @LFLegal and their website: http://lflegal.com/ #tcchat |
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2:54 am
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musingvirtual:
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@sarahmaddox @GlendaWH because if you leave alt off screenreaders will try to read the image file name. #tcchat |
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2:54 am
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2moroDocs:
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@jsutt See ur pt. Not good tech writing, for sure. May have to look for a happy medium #tcchat |
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2:55 am
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GlendaWH:
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@sarahmaddox With no alt, screen reader reads "image" or filename. useless! #tcchat |
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2:56 am
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Jennison:
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@ms_marques #tcchat Particularly for content creators, the feedback I'm getting is specific accessibility training for PDF, Word, etc. |
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2:56 am
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webaxe:
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World Policies Relating to Web Accessibility from W3C: http://www.w3.org/WAI/Policy/ #a11y #tcchat |
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2:57 am
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2moroDocs:
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@jennison Do you know of any links we can use to review a11y reqs for PDFs, Word, etc? #tcchat |
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2:57 am
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GlendaWH:
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@2moroDocs Accessible PDFs begins with accessible original content. #tcchat |
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2:58 am
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Jennison:
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@jsutt #tcchat Agree re putting the (opens in a new window) info at the end of the link name. |
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2:59 am
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webaxe:
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+1 RT @glendawh: @2moroDocs Accessible PDFs begins with accessible original content. #tcchat |
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2:59 am
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2moroDocs:
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@glendawh Some other considerations for PDFs viewed over iPad, for instance? #tcchat |
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3:01 am
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CharJTF:
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#tcchat @clifftyll knows a lot about accessible Word and PDFs. #a11y |
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3:01 am
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2moroDocs:
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I always think of PDFs in terms of print materials. Perhaps they don't always use web a11y, but may b viewed on iPad, for ex? #tcchat |
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3:01 am
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2moroDocs:
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What do the writers think of PDFs? Mostly online version of a print doc? Or is that just me? #tcchat |
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3:02 am
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GlendaWH:
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@2moroDocs Can I get back to re PDFs and iPads? #tcchat |
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3:02 am
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webaxe:
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+1 RT @jennison: @jsutt #tcchat Agree regarding putting the (opens in a new window) info at the end of the link name. |
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3:03 am
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webaxe:
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Gotta drop off now. #tcchat was a crazy, quick fun time! |
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3:03 am
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sarahmaddox:
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@2moroDocs #tcchat I have to rush off now. Thanks for the very useful session and all info! Will read transcript later too. Thanks all! |
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3:03 am
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2moroDocs:
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@glendawh Absolutely. I can look for more info, too. Maybe @jennison knows of something? #tcchat |
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3:03 am
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ms_marques:
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@2moroDocs but you can add a11y features to pdfs being viewed online, such as alt text for images #tcchat |
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3:03 am
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Jennison:
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#tcchat Suggests #Accessibility of Office Documents and Office Applications http://bit.ly/gpYMkk #techcomm |
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3:04 am
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2moroDocs:
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Yes, thank you everyone. I just noticed the hour is up. Thanks for convos everyone! #tcchat |
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3:05 am
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sarahtp:
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Thank you @2moroDocs, SMEs and all. #tcchat |
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3:05 am
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ms_marques:
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@2moroDocs pdf is online, but might be printed. #tcchat |
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3:05 am
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GlendaWH:
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@2moroDocs Personally, I prefer pdf ebooks in landscape format. Less scrolling. see a whole page at once. #tcchat |
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3:05 am
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2moroDocs:
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@ms_marques Good pt. Also, things like heading styles and such would apply to any PDF file as well #tcchat |
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3:05 am
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cybertext:
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RT @kirstyt: Does anyone know about a11y laws in Australia? #tcchat [There's a Disability Discrimination Act in Oz - does that help?] |
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3:05 am
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musingvirtual:
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thanks for the conversation, all #tcchat folks! was a pleasure talking with you! #tcchat |
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3:06 am
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ms_marques:
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@2moroDocs Thx for another great #tcchat |
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3:06 am
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Jennison:
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#tcchat Suggests, for PDFs and other Adobe #accessibility http://www.adobe.com/accessibility #techcomm |
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3:06 am
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kirstyt:
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@cybertext Yes, but most legislation seems to be around websites, not applications, which is more my concern. #tcchat |
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3:06 am
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2moroDocs:
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@glendawh That's a very good point. While web pages can resize in windows, PDFs can't always (in terms of content presented) #tcchat |
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3:07 am
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2moroDocs:
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@sarahtp Thank you for participating today and sharing all that info earlier. Much appreciated! #tcchat |
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3:09 am
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2moroDocs:
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@kirstyt That's a good point - esp since TWs work w/dev so much, and can make usability & a11y suggestions #tcchat |
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3:10 am
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2moroDocs:
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@webaxe Thank you so much for fitting this into your schedule today! Great links and info; appreciate it #tcchat |
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3:10 am
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sarahtp:
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@kirstyt @2moroDocs None really around mobile apps either. #tcchat |
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3:11 am
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2moroDocs:
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@sarahmaddox Thanks again, Sarah! I'll post the transcripts in a bit. Will put out a tweet - #tcchat |
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3:12 am
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2moroDocs:
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@sarahtp As a newbie, I have to ask. Do u know why apps aren't being addressed as much? I don't understand that #tcchat |
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3:13 am
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2moroDocs:
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So it seems like perhaps tech writers need to learn more abt a11y and make a pt of getting that addressed during dev ??? #tcchat |
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3:14 am
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uxprinciples:
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RT @GlendaWH: @2moroDocs Accessible PDFs begins with accessible original content. #tcchat |
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3:14 am
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2moroDocs:
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Web-based apps should have web a11y considerations apply, I would think #tcchat |
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3:16 am
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2moroDocs:
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@jennison thx for the PDF & Word links, and other info today #tcchat |
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3:16 am
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sarahtp:
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@2moroDocs Also consider that out of all the mobile operating systems, Apple iOS is the only one that has built in #a11y #tcchat |
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3:16 am
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Jennison:
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@2moroDocs #tcchat Who ever is ultimately designing & publishing the docs, whether it's the tech writer, or someone else needs a11y training |
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3:16 am
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2moroDocs:
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@kirstyt Thx for coming by today, Kirsty! #tcchat |
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3:17 am
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2moroDocs:
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RT @sarahtp: @2moroDocs Also consider that out of all the mobile operating systems, Apple iOS is the only 1 that has built in #a11y #tcchat |
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3:18 am
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sarahtp:
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@2moroDocs Android does have some level of #a11y, but not nearly as advanced as Apple's. #tcchat |
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3:18 am
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2moroDocs:
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@jennison I assume that there are regular seminars, webinars, classes - that sort of thing. #tcchat Do u know a good place 2 look? |
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3:19 am
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GlendaWH:
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RT @charjtf: @GlendaWH Not enough people create landscape PDFs. Wish more would! --> Agreed! http://ht.ly/3PjNl #tcchat |
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3:20 am
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sarahtp:
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@2moroDocs (Shouldn't forget Android, but still has some inherent problems like inaccessible native onscreen keyboard) #tcchat |
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3:21 am
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LFLegal:
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@cybertext @kirstyt Re #a11y laws in Australia: http://www.w3.org/WAI/Policy/#Australia on WAI site. #tcchat |
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3:22 am
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2moroDocs:
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@glendawh @charjtf I never even thought of that. Guess I've always thought abt portrait only. Would be good to hear more abt that #tcchat |
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3:23 am
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2moroDocs:
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@Jennison Re training. How often do u think refresher training needed? Ok to go to training & keep up w/reqs, etc? #tcchat |
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3:24 am
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2moroDocs:
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@sarahtp This is great info re all the mobile items. Anything else you could think of would b good to know. Mobile so impt! #tcchat |
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3:26 am
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2moroDocs:
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I have a ques if SMEs still around. Or leave for later. If background noise an issue 4 mobile, 1 more reason for captioned video? #tcchat |
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3:27 am
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2moroDocs:
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@glendawh Thanks so much for joining in today! I really appreciate it. #tcchat |
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3:28 am
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2moroDocs:
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Oops - late dinner here. Time to sign off. Thanks, everyone! #tcchat |
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3:28 am
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sarahtp:
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@2moroDocs Captions good 4: Deaf & hearing impaired, ppl learning English, noisy areas (so yes, mobile & other), quiet environments. #tcchat |
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3:43 am
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pauljadam:
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RT @sarahtp: @2moroDocs Also consider that out of all the mobile operating systems, Apple iOS is the only one that has built in #a11y #tcchat |
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3:44 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs Sorry to have missed this #tcchat, but follow @a11yevents That's where @jennison tweets re: training, seminars, unconferences. |
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4:01 am
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clifftyll:
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@kirstyt @cybertext #tcchat #A11y legislation covers electronic information resources: websites, apps, info kiosks, PDFs, spreadsheets, docs |
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4:04 am
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clifftyll:
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@kirstyt @cybertext That much is said abt certain areas of #a11y doesn't mean others aren't important, but that there is much to do. #tcchat |
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4:30 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs I saw that "opens in new window" came up in #tcchat. Terrible for usability, not just #a11y. Breaks user's flow. All hate it. |
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5:04 am
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clifftyll:
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@CharJTF Thanks for the mention! (Sorry I missed #tcchat ? computer was acting flaky; couldn't get online for a while.) |
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5:05 am
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CharJTF:
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@clifftyll No worries...I was watching the news and tweeting from my Nook ;-) #tcchat transcripts are available from today. |
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5:11 am
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CharJTF:
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@clifftyll Unfortunately, not everyone hates new windows. Some people do it on purpose! (There's a blog post in there...) #tcchat |
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5:42 am
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dennisl:
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BTW, note that #PDF files should be used with much discretion on the web; for supplementary content, not main content. #tcchat |
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5:51 am
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clifftyll:
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@CharJTF Everyone hates for a program to open a new window on them ? even if they willingly open new windows themselves. #tcchat |
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6:21 am
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2moroDocs:
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@dennisl I'm all for that - #tcchat |
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6:23 am
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf @clifftyll Now don't everyone get mad at me here :) I like opening new windows if a link on my blog goes to a diff site ... #tcchat |
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6:23 am
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf @clifftyll ... & I think that's fairly common. That's why I asked abt it, & want 2 learn more abt it. #tcchat |
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6:25 am
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf @clifftyll I like being able to stay on same site & b able to have other info separate. So I need to learn more abt it #tcchat |
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6:27 am
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MikeStarrWriter:
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@2moroDocs @charjtf @clifftyll I like how Wikipedia handles it with a symbol; just haven't figured out from code how they do it #tcchat |
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6:29 am
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2moroDocs:
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@charjtf @clifftyll What abt a situation where new win is ref to support docs. E.g., safety manual w/link to regs in that other win? #tcchat |
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6:30 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll Thx for telling me more abt this :) - #tcchat |
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6:33 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll Ah ha. That helps. #tcchat |
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6:34 am
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2moroDocs:
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@mikestarrwriter You mean the little graphic at the end of the links? #tcchat |
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6:37 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll Exc point. User testing very impt. #tcchat I've used new wins whenever a link goes offsite/outside of docs 4 ref or something |
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6:37 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll but, you've all got me thinking about it more. So I'll look at it more closely. ;) #tcchat |
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6:39 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll that would be great. Be sure & let me know when you publish it. :) #tcchat |
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6:39 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll Mind if I bug you some more w/ques re links & new wins? #tcchat |
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6:39 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs My mantra is "Don't break the 'Back' button." When you do, user stops focusing on task, must figure out what happened. #tcchat |
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6:40 am
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MikeStarrWriter:
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@2moroDocs Yep, that's the one. I looked at the source and couldn't see how they do that (been a while now though). #tcchat |
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6:40 am
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2moroDocs:
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How do screen readers recognize a link that's marked for going offsite? Is there some common graphic to use for an offsite link? #tcchat |
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6:41 am
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MikeStarrWriter:
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@2moroDocs Whoops; that just indicates external link not new window. Sorry about that. #tcchat |
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6:42 am
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clifftyll:
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@MikeStarrWriter Wikipedia's "Exit" icon is in their CSS; look for class="external_link" (or similar). @2moroDocs #tcchat |
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6:44 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll earlier was mentioned that shld indicate in text that new win 2 open. But, cld b prob TW-wise. 2 repetitive, 2 many words #tcchat |
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6:45 am
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2moroDocs:
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If there's a common graphic that screen readers recognize as opening new win, that would be nice. Is there such a thing? #tcchat |
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6:45 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs Screen readers can't recognize an external link. For them, problem with icons is that they are after the link. #tcchat |
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6:46 am
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2moroDocs:
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@mikestarrwriter No worries. Those are nice graphics. #tcchat |
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6:47 am
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2moroDocs:
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I've learned so much today in all the #tcchat convos ... |
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6:48 am
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clifftyll:
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@2morodocs Some suggest adding title="external link" to anchor tag of the link. That's good, but most users won't hear it. #tcchat |
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6:50 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll Would they recognize such a link if a graphic was before the link? Then the little graphic be a bullet of sorts. ??? #tcchat |
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6:50 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs In default settings, screen reader does not announce info in title attribute. Many users don't know how to make it do so. #tcchat |
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6:50 am
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2moroDocs:
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Just thinking out loud. I should probably go read up on screen readers b4 asking all this... Like you say, 140 chars not much #tcchat |
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6:51 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs Most users either don't know how or don't go to trouble of getting screen reader to announce info in title attribute. #tcchat |
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6:53 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs So it's good to use it for advisory info ? as in this case ? but not for essential info. Best to do both: [more] #tcchat |
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6:53 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll So could we write alt tags as alt="external link: desc of whatever" & scrn rdr wld note it as an external link? #tcchat |
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6:55 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs <a href="uri" title="external link">meaningful text</a> <img src="uri-of-exit-icon" alt="external link" /> #tcchat |
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6:57 am
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VictoriaRJening:
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* I've learned so much today in all the #tcchat convos ... :)) |
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6:58 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs Yes. Only drawback: For sighted, icon needs to be after link, so screen-reader users won't hear alt text before link. #tcchat |
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6:59 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll thx 4 link code. Now I'm thinking of cont mgmt & potential probs w/everything just being "external link". Wld need more #tcchat |
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7:00 am
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2moroDocs:
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You know, people have no idea how many things we all have to consider just to get a few darn words on a page, virtual or otherwise! #tcchat |
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7:02 am
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2moroDocs:
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sheesh! ;) and that's before even starting to craft the words themselves... #tcchat |
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7:03 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs True! Lots 2 know! Could also say "off site" or "off site: definition" or such. And in CMS can use CSS classes for each. #tcchat |
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7:03 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll Wow. I have to try and absorb all this. I really appreciate all your thoughts this evening. #tcchat |
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7:04 am
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stcaccess:
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@2moroDocs Browser controls have keyboard shortcuts 2 open in new tab/window. Teach users that & don't code new window. @clifftyll #tcchat |
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7:05 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs Remember to keep alt text short. It should be the text replacement for the image. For these, simply "off site" works. #tcchat |
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7:07 am
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stcaccess:
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@2moroDocs @clifftyll Your new window chat was so interesting, had to chime in. I'm anti-new window. I want to be in control! #tcchat |
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7:07 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll That wld b good. Cuz then name/def/info cld b in separate db field & ref in xsl file. Cld concatenate when pg built. hmm #tcchat |
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7:07 am
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clifftyll:
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@stcaccess Exactly! Leave user in control. Use new window in limited cases, when context is to add info to current page. @2moroDocs #tcchat |
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7:11 am
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clifftyll:
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@stcaccess Much appreciate your chiming in! Good example of acceptable new window: Twitter's message-writing window. @2moroDocs #tcchat |
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7:13 am
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2moroDocs:
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@stcaccess Glad you joined in on the new win disc. I just checked blogroll. All opened in new win. Maybe default in WP? #tcchat |
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7:16 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs I have seen that on many WP sites. I believe it is the default behavior. So is full justification (bad!). @stcaccess #tcchat |
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7:16 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll I see that. Good ex! But that's diff than opening a link to a site or something in a new win. Isn't that what u mean, too?#tcchat |
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7:19 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs Yes, that's the distinction. Don't open link in new window simply because it's off your site. But it's OK in a few cases. #tcchat |
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7:19 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll Agreed. Full justification never a good idea. Never works... #tcchat |
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7:20 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll I'll go check my blog & see what settings are. Maybe there's a way to chg that. Back in a few... #tcchat |
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7:21 am
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mpnkhan:
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RT @webaxe: To warn user of new window opening, use inline text or image with alt before the link; tooltips not always rendered to user. #tcchat |
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7:21 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs Those few cases involve user's need to do something small while keeping current page in view. Help. Definition. Message. #tcchat |
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7:22 am
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2moroDocs:
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In WP, you can set each link to open in same win, new one, whatever. So it's up to blogger. #tcchat |
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7:24 am
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mpnkhan:
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RT @webaxe: +1 RT @jennison: @jsutt #tcchat Agree regarding putting the (opens in a new window) info at the end of the link name. |
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7:24 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs If you open off-site links in new tabs, you actually make it harder for users to return to your site. "Back" won't work. #tcchat |
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7:25 am
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clifftyll:
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@2moroDocs If you do nothing, what setting does WP adopt? New window or same? #tcchat |
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7:26 am
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2moroDocs:
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@mpnkhan Thx for chiming in on the new window convo #tcchat |
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7:28 am
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2moroDocs:
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I didn't realize it's 11:30! I guess I better stop for now. I will def look into this more. I've gen used new wins 4 external links #tcchat |
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7:29 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll @stcaccess @mikestarrwriter @mpnkhan thx for the late-night new-window convo :) #tcchat |
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7:30 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll will check. one sec #tcchat |
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7:32 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll You'll like this. Nothing is selected by default. You have 2 choose something. At least, just me clicking Add New Link #tcchat |
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7:34 am
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll 1:30!!! Oh, no. This could have waited. Sorry about that! #tcchat |
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7:36 am
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2moroDocs:
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@kmdk Yep. Karen, I can't thank you enough for today. :) Time for me to head off - #tcchat |
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1:28 pm
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swimsy:
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RT @webaxe: For accessibility info on the BlackBerry, follow @berryaccess; & here's the website: http://ow.ly/3PiLE #tcchat #a11y |
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1:44 pm
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geoffkerson:
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RT @webaxe: On link opening in new window, don't do it unless good reason. Best to give user control. If you do it, be sure to warn user! #tcchat |
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1:44 pm
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geoffkerson:
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RT @webaxe: To warn user of new window opening, use inline text or image with alt before the link; tooltips not always rendered to user. #tcchat |
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1:57 pm
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CharJTF:
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@MikeStarrWriter "external" class on <a> is defined with image in CSS. #tcchat |
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3:09 pm
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clifftyll:
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@sgauder To convince site owners, I deadpan, "If you want them to return, don't break their 'Back.'" [more] #tcchat @stcaccess @2moroDocs |
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3:10 pm
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clifftyll:
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@sgauder "If you want to be sure you lose them, then you should frustrate them." [more] #tcchat @stcaccess @2moroDocs |
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3:12 pm
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clifftyll:
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@sgauder "Research shows: Opening a link in a new window or tab upsets people. 'Back' stops working." [more] #tcchat @stcaccess @2moroDocs |
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3:14 pm
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clifftyll:
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@sgauder "You're stepping between them and your message. They want you out of the way. Get there. Stay." #tcchat @stcaccess @2moroDocs |
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5:04 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll Thanks for all the info on the new window topic. It's helpful. It's not used in docs so much, but is in blogs more #tcchat ..... |
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5:05 pm
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2moroDocs:
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@clifftyll That said, I'm sure I'll be changing my practices. Because, after all, it's not about me, is it? ;) #tcchat |
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5:07 pm
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2moroDocs:
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I have a blog post in mind after yesterday's #tcchat, & will try and write that quick while everything's fresh. Learned so much - |
